Clearly, it's not been a brilliant start to this year's Champions League campaign for the English sides.
With just six games played between the four of them, Arsenal, Chelsea and both of the Manchester clubs have all suffered defeat already - with Arsenal losing both of their opening fixtures.
City and United have the opportunity to record their first points of this year's competition on Wednesday evening, but the following tweet flags up an alarming stat...
https://twitter.com/alitweedale/status/648966416335507457?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw
With four places in the Champions League currently afforded to the Premier League, results might need to improve quickly if things are to remain the same.